A baker ≠ a rich CEO.
The baker works for a living, if nothing else.
The Baker provides a service for a fee, the CEO denies service to inflate wealth (at least the ones that should be worrying).
I dunno, I think the baker might already give you their bread if you threaten them with death
The premise is that you want to kill the baker, not that you want their bread.
If I want to kill someone, I do not care about whatever consequences or effects it will have. That fucker is as good as dead.
Then there is no problem. I get what I want, people who need bread get what they want. Everyone wins!*
^*Well, not the baker.^
But you haven’t maximized evil as was required. Are you even paying attention in class, Kolanaki?
Sounds like a hell yeah to me
Bakers make bread. Kill the baker and you got no more bread at all. Bad analogy.
Kill the Baker and people can access the bread, and the resources the Baker was hoarding, and ALSO make bread. Bread making isn’t a genetic trait like hair color, it can be learned.
Yeah but in this town, they kill bakers . Don’t listen to this guy y’all, he’s just trying to up his baker tally so he can look cool eating bread. It’s a trap, don’t bake bread.
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Don’t do it, really guys, I’m not joking.
I’m not a baker I’m a patisserie.
Guys i found the baker who only bakes expensive bread for rich people, get him!!
OK, but opportunity cost. Sure, anyone can learn to make bread, but not everyone has the time, space or equipment to make their own bread, or wants to spend their time doing it. Not making bread themselves should not exclude them from having access to bread.
Idk dude that sounds a little like capitalism or at least economics
Division of labour is not capitalism, trying to do everything by yourself is not anti capitalist (and in fact that extreme individualist fantasy has more to do with capitalism than anything else)
You assume those people would 1. Actually make bread and not just eat what was left and then go back to being starving. 2. Somehow not be subject to the same exact economic conditions that required a baker to charge for bread in the first place (ie. Cover the cost of his inputs, afford a place to live, feed and cloth his children, etc.)
Hoarding is a strong word. Rather than blaming a baker that is producing something that benefits other people, why don’t we focus on the people who are starving. Why are they starving? How do we help them make enough to afford bread?
They’re starving because they bought too many lattes.
They’re starving because they refuse to eat anything other than avocado-toast
Exactly that’s why you kill them too, don’t leave it up to chance
So you’re saying that, in order to maximize evil, we should kill the baker?
If maximizing evil is the goal, killing the baker is the best thing you can do. Those people will eat some temporary bread and then go on starving. What’s worse, is more people will starve as well.
But then you need to set up a cult to keep on killing bakers, because there are incentives for someone else to take up the mantle.
or you take over operations, adulterate the bread with sawdust while selling the good stuff only to the 1% who can afford it. Also, maybe make it an overpriced subscription, where in order to have the privilege of buying bread, you also have to pay per loaf, too.
If that sounds like corpo-shit… that’s because it is.
Then you might as well lightly poison the regular bread to keep the poor feeling like shit and preventing them from improving their life. You can still sell the premium, non-poisoned bread to the rich.
also placing some of the antidote into “herbal” remedies. to make even more money off them.
Now we’re making progress towards a plan.
Killing the baker isnt the best thing you can do
Start a cult where no one is allowed to eat bread, having to make all bread poisonous and placing it in a line
You would waste more resources compared to just killing the baker and reduce the risk of another person becoming the baker
Don’t you mean “what’s even better”?
And poison his bread.
Yeah. Meanwhile killing CEOs has no drawbacks because they do nothing of value and horde all the money which can be used for better than just choking the economy for everyone else.
I wouldn’t say that they do nothing of value. Organizing companies has to happen. Is it worth their price? Not even fucking close. But crews cannot run themselves with efficiency. There has to be someone running the ship. But they do not deserve that much more. They get that by being corrupt and appeasing the investors MORE than making a company run correctly.
most CEOs don’t organize anything, that’s ironically what middle management does. the CEOs job is to maximize the amount of value extracted for the feudal lords
I beg to argue they organize the middle managers. Everyone answers to someone.
that’s the fun part, they actually don’t, most middle managers are the controlling instance already, and any case where they aren’t is because the corporate structure has multiple upper level management layers further reducing contact to the CEO
CEOs aren’t solely at fault, though. The board of directors is responsible for setting broad policies which might involve increasing profit even at the cost of human lives. And most publicly traded corporations have mission statements that explicitly prioritize profit over all other concerns because otherwise their shares wouldn’t be as attractive on the stock market.
Mind you, making the CEO job unattractive will make it harder to find people who implement board policies. But ultimately that’s a punctual relief attempt for a systemic issue – the way the stock market operates. Things will not improve as long as we not just allow but require companies to increase profit no matter what.
Good CEO’s lead companies to brighter future!
Well, whole two of them, so your chance to kill one by mistake is kinda low, go wild.
“Human dragon” is in perhaps a better descriptor for the analogy
I know how to make bread. It’s not fucking hard.
KILL HIM, HE KNOWS HOW TO MAKE BREAD!
So, in this world. Once you become the baker, guess who is next?
I feel ok about this, teach was indicating a specific baker. If she had said “suppose you want to kill a CEO, any CEO” and I were a CEO I’d be worried but that’s not what happened. The town was just mad at the prior baker for only making brioche and then charging out the ass for it so they needed to die. I get it.
But do you want to start work at 5 am every day, and bake bread all day, or do you want to go to the bakery and buy a loaf of bread?
It takes longer than that bud, I start the day before.
However if you’re an American, store bought bread is gross, even the $7/loaf stuff at whole foods. Farmers markets are usually good. I don’t buy bread for this reason, standards.
We’re talking about a bakery, so it would be quite different than regular store bought bread.
Maybe this one just owns the bakery
That’s a landlord
Kill only the greediest, wealthiest baker in the street. Next month, kill the next most greedy wealthy baker after him. Month three, all the bakers will be fighting to give more of their bread away than the next guy
Wouldnt they just stop being bakers? They will all eventually die
I dont think this is a good analogy
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Given the context of the recent heroic event it’s important to remember that not only is it not the baker putting up the barrier but it is someone who actually probably can’t even do their job of doing nothing very well.
Killing the baker may lead to a problem where the bread runs out, but I suppose it’s also a good example of how baking is not magic and we could figure it our well enough to not need to put up with someone who would willingly let people starve.
Yup. The baker isn’t the one that owns the bakery. They don’t own the mills. They don’t own the farms.
Instead, what’s happened is one mega corporation has bought most of the bakeries, they set prices to the maximum level possible and have backroom negotiations with mills that an independent baker can’t get in the room to make. The mills do the same thing with the farms. And the farms are all consolidating into few owners who get to run on almost no employees (It doesn’t take a lot to run a modern farm). Further, the mega farms and mills end up driving small time farmers out of business because the mills won’t cut deals with small time farmers like they will with the megafarmers.
At every layer, there is some MBA asshole idiot justifying his parasitic existence because he thinks nobody else is as smart as him (even though he likely got the business because of his daddy or his wife’s daddy). He hordes the excess funds but builds himself a nice big house.
This is late stage capitalism in a nut shell.
Dude, people on Lemmy freak it if they don’t have their Starbucks coffee and their multiple online subscriptions.
They will categorically not learn to make bread, instead they will flock to Uber eats for those sweet points
People in here don’t have any idea on how hard being a baker is.
What are you talking about? “Ergmahgerd they like Starbucks” seriously can you hear yourself? Like what does Starbucks coffee and having online subscriptions have to do with someone’s ability to learn?
Touch grass.
This being an old comic and people instantly forming the (seemingly) obvious connection to recent events seems like a good illustration of the concept of the dead author.
Some More Bread Comic?
Saturday morning breakfast cereal
It’s been like a decade since I last went to that site, can’t believe he’s still going
Penny Arcade did a strip recently about the comic strip essentially being undead, as they have no ability to kill it off
That’s kind of how ethical thought experiments already work.
Sure, that would be worse than a few starving people getting some bread temporarily. If the baker is dead then there will be more starving people then we started with.
Wait, wasn’t that the point? I thought the post point was for the people to have bread for like 5 minutes and then die horribly of hunger later because they don’t know how to turn on the oven correctly without starting a fire and forget about even knowing how to mix the flour and yeast in the correct proportions and time to not create inedible lumps of overcooked flour
Generally, bakers are blue collar hardworkers who do not gluttonously hoard their resources and instead sell at prices necessary for sustainability with a modest to moderate level of profit margins; eliminating one baker would reduce the number of skilled workers who know how to produce goods/services critical to society. The same cannot be said about people in certain other positions whom the aforementioned hypothetical you might instead want to kill.
If the artist believes that bakers’ role in society is not comparable to certain parasitic roles, that subtext has been lost in the satiric trope inversion.
Edit: Apparently this is an old comic, so the inferred modern subtext is not the artist’s intent. I was trying to think of a better scenario for what the artist was trying to convey. You want to kill a child but the child has O- blood and is registered for organ donation upon death?
This feels like a slightly odd take for SMBC given the assumed subtext
It’s an old comic I’ve found through the random feature. Felt like it would elicit some good discussion.
good discussion about what ?
Killing bakers
Why do you want to talk about killing bakers ?
Bakers have skills and contribute to their communities, unlike ceos. I don’t think it’s relevant to Luigi
Baking is an easy trade to learn. Put the greedy stodge through the slicer forthwith
Said someone who’s never baked before, or known a baker, or have watched any culinary show. Following one simplified recipe and hope it turns out alright? You haven’t learned baking as a trade. Might as well say Plumbing or Carpentry is easy. Sure they can glue two pipes together. But, can they design and implement a fully functioning DWV system that’s up to code? I would rather rewire an entire house’s electrical system than spend a whole day trying to figure out why I can’t knead this fucking dough right.
Nice how people always assume someone knows nothing of a subject they proclaim knowledge of innit. I do and have baked more than a couple things iny life Mr. knowitall
eh, I put plenty of “or” statements in there. If you proclaim knowledge and then exclaim an ignorant claim, I’m just musing on your assuming tirade.
There is such a thing as Culinary School, you see?
The culinary schooling I got was my grandma
I went to a house and I asked for some bread
And the lady says, “scram, bum, the baker is dead”Hallelujah, I’m a bum
Hallelujah, bum again
Hallelujah, give us a handout
To revive us againWhy are we killing bakers?
Just go to your nearest chain supermarket and shoplift!
