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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/25231050
By Lubna Masarwa in Jerusalem Published date: 26 January 2025 10:44 GMT
[some very ominous statements from #Trump]
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/25231050
By Lubna Masarwa in Jerusalem Published date: 26 January 2025 10:44 GMT
[some very ominous statements from #Trump]
Gaza protesters got so owned… All that yelling about Biden, Harris, Democrats, while Trump was openly saying this shit all along. And a bunch of you will continue to only complain about Democrats as Gaza gets “cleaned”. You fucking tools.
The democrats could have tried not aiding the genocide. That was always an option. Seems like this was gonna happen either way…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leahy_Law
Yeah, whether or not these people who keep patting themselves on the back every single time some new horrible news about Gaza comes out want to admit it, the democrats are complicit in this.
It’s the brain rot of two party politics. The idea that democrats are guilty of aiding in a genocide cannot exist at the same time as the idea that trump would continue and worsen the genocide. They can’t conceive of a situation where the vote for genocide or genocide was unpalatable for many people.
And do they blame the people committing genocide? No, they throw streamers in the air and pop poppers because now they get to say they were right. It doesn’t fucking matter. People are being slaughtered. And our country is complicit. It’s not about blue or red complicity. It’s about the fact that we had no choice but to either shoulder the blame for trump’s deeds, or to shut up and vote for genocide participants.
Why does everything have to be so binary? Is it really that complicated to say there was no good answer on the ballot? Yes, trump is undoubtedly worse. But the fact that we weren’t given any good options to vote for is not on people who couldn’t stomach looking the other way and saying “well, yeah they may be advocating for continuing to aid in genocide, but…”
We all get it. We’ve always gotten it. We didn’t vote for trump. The people who literally thought trump was going to fix the situation and DID vote for him are to blame. But the democrats are to blame for 99% of their own loss. The sooner people stop trying to high road people who couldn’t stomach the choice, the sooner we can be to fuckin doing something about it. And the sooner we can all admit we were given a fuckin shit sandwich or a diarrhea smoothie to choose from, the sooner we can find some fuckin class solidarity. Stop blaming the underclass for being beholden to the ownership class. That’s not our choice. Driving a wedge between the other people who—according to those who keep cheering themselves on—apparently want to see the genocide end is not helping anyone but the people who can’t stop congratulating themselves—well, themselves and the ownership class committing the genocide.
It’s called the Ratchet Effect. It’s explained very well here: https://larryshockey.com/the-american-political-system-and-the-ratchet-effect/
Finally, a good take.
Exactly. I feel sorry for everyone in the US who has to live through another Trump term, but from my outsider perspective the Dems really screwed themselves on this one.
I don’t feel sorry for most. They have decades before trump to work of a multi party system, instead most keep voting for the same two terrible parties and blame 3rd party voters instead
Hamas could have not done that attack or given up the hostages when it was clear what a strategic blunder said attack was… Hezbolla figured it out real quick and didn’t join the attack as they had promised. Meanwhile, US protests have virtually disappeared since Election Day, as if the point was about disenfranchising Democrats and little to do with Gaza. To this day, people who are so concerned about “genocide” don’t say shit about Sudan… Anyway, you can carry on all day about what Democrats should have done and it’ll still be true that Biden or Harris was Gaza’s best case scenario in terms of practical action vs Trump and his goons.
Israel could have decided to not occupy palestine in 67.
I don’t think you understand the point of the protests. People don’t want their government funding and supplying the weapons for a genocide.
What would a protest about Sudan achieve if your country has no involvement in it?
No, the protests have not stopped. You can stop with the whataboutism though. Not even gonna bring up the Uyghurs, sheesh
Ah yes, whataboutism as the answer to any uncomfortable comment. So tell me where and when these protests are occurring. I used to see them weekly in my city, block-long marches down popular streets. They used to block freeways and bridges and college administration buildings were occupied. Did the pre-election protests ever once target a Trump rally? Or any Republican?
Will people take to the streets now to protest Trump and his Republican Congress’s stance on Gaza? Will the people do anything now that the Democrats have lost?
You obviously don’t organize or show up for protests. You’re asking will people show up? lol we’ve been showing up, I suggest trying it, because this is written like someone who’s never been
If the only people who know about the protests are the ones in them, what good are they? The whole point of a protest is to be seen. The fact that we’re not seeing them is a valid critique against their efficacy.
Nobody knows the first time they go. Give it a try so you don’t spread misinformed options
Did you mean to reply to someone else?
With a simple resesrch you could find protests supporting palestinian but you just another person pretending that you care about gaza and even sudan https://uscpr.org/pro-palestine-protests
Thanks for the link. It seems the bulk of these recent protests are just meetings at a local storefront or a “banner drop” involving only a handful of people. The street marches, building occupations, and bridges closures that required hundreds of people are simply done.
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No one is fooled.
This glib self congratulatory nonsense is why Democrats will lose forever. Democrats got owned because they spent 8 or 9 months telling everyone that they were working tirelessly on a ceasefire. And what this whole fiasco is proving is that Biden could have stopped it with a phone call but he didn’t. And the polling after the fact shows that would be democratic voters stayed home because they were absolutely disgusted by their party preaching morality doing the right thing while perpetrating/enabling one of the most repugnant acts of slaughter against a trapped population. It all stopped with a phone call from Trump. Whether it was just a temporary pause for the inauguration or a pure attempt at culling the violence in the middle east (it doesn’t matter). It just proved that the Democrats are absolutely full of shit and willing to spite their own constituency to keep oligarchy money flowing.
Damn, you are seriously drinking some vile maga propaganda if you believe that. I suggest you choose a better information diet.
https://time.com/7207250/ceasefire-gaza-israel-hamas/
Tolerance for this nonsense attitude is why the Democrats never feel a need to respond to their own constituents. You are berating people for choosing the ‘burn Palestinians’ party instead of the ‘turn Palestinians into ground meat’ party. Neither vote would have changed anything about the circumstances on the ground, but for some reason, people like you want to perpetuate the myth that Democrats as a party are even slightly better than Republicans on this issue. Your attitude makes progress on this issue in US politics dramatically less likely.
You can’t condemn a bad person or entity because another one will do more bad things? What kind of logic is this? Do you really care about palestinians or you just defend your democrat cult?
You can condemn them while not letting the proto fascist in.
You had decades to try to make effort to end the two party system before trump went to election. You keep supporting those two imperial parties destroying multiple countries and overthrowing multiple democratically elected regime all over the world. Besides 3rd parties voters all the rest of you are complicit to this genocide and the election of the pro fascist
No I didn’t. I’m no dem. Have never voted. Not American but would’ve voted to stop the proto fascist over status quo as it’s easier to organise under the status quo.
And if I didn’t it’d be only in the hopes that things would get so bad that it’d cause a revolution. Not under the delusion that Trump would be equal or better than Kamala in Palestine.
Im not condoning anything that is happening in the middle east but calling Hamas a democratically elected regime is a bit of a stretch.
Like you give a fuck about human lives. Just defending your mindless ideology as if somehow sparing lives is less important. Disgusting.
My comment is about advocating to call out anybody or any entity who do terrible things and you have the audacity to say that i don’t care about human lives. Can you also tell me what is my ideology?
Evidently, making the perfect the enemy of the good, at all costs.
There is nothing “good” about the US enabling genocide and preventing the ICC from prosecuting war criminals. Biden admitted he is a war criminal on a nationally televised interview shortly before leaving office. The word you’re looking for is “indefensible.”
Quit your semantic bullshit. Fewer dead people is relatively good, and that is the best that anyone’s going to do in our grim reality.
I never saw a single person say Trump would be better for Palestine, so I’m not sure what you’re on about…
As for complaining about Dems and not Trump, that makes sense to me because it’s assumed that Trump is shit, but Dems pretend to be better than they are.
There were absolutely people on Lemmy claiming Trump would be better.
True but how many?
Apparently enough people either thought that or didn’t give a shit to give us another four years of trump.