Someone actually figured out that a service company competing with a shit ton of other service companies in a service economy needs people that work service jobs to be able to afford their services. They won’t raise wages themselves alone because it’s not like McDonald’s workers will spend the raised wages solely at McDonald’s. They have other essentials and non-Mcdonalds services to pay for. They need every place to have their minimum wage increased and then McDonald’s try to capture a larger portion of everyone’s higher income that exceeds their higher labor cost. Stagnant incomes means non-essential services like McDonald’s get squeezed out
i read that in the calm and convincing voice of cardamon, the 8 y.o. landlord of Bee and Puppycat, who’s the most reasonable character in the entire show.
this has nothing to do with what you said; i just find it amazing how i associate certain voices to certain written pieces of text.
It’s expensive. It’s shitty, even for fast food. They let a rapist felon use one of their locations for a photoshoot to improve his image.
Yeah, I’m good on McD’s.
Get fucked fascist burger “oh no leopards are eating our faces instead of our burgers” hahaha
Seconded lmao
This reads like the wealthy realizing, in real-time, that the poor can’t spend money they don’t have, more than anything else. Like, no shit, dude.
Use your privileged position to make actual change if you care so much. He doesn’t though, so he’s not going to. Instead, he’ll make sure we all know that we can get an entire combo for only $5. Wow! Truly a hero of the down-trodden, this fucking guy. I’d love to be proved wrong, but we all know where this is headed. His virtue signaling doesn’t change that, just like it doesn’t change that stunt he pulled with potus and all that it so clearly represented. Just more mealy-mouthed lies from another worm in a suit’s all it is.
This reads like the wealthy realizing, in real-time, that the poor can’t spend money they don’t have, more than anything else.
If only someone warned them about this!
Yeah, that’s like, the most classic of Marxism
Gone are the days of well educated elites. Now we have the scourge that is the putrified remains of ruling class’s shit.
Enlightened self interest? How about unchecked greed and moral bankruptcy instead?
Pretty sure Adam Smith and Karl Marx both understood that one
Even Henry fucking Ford understood that
And he was a goddamned Nazi.
I think a lot of capitalists would believe the two to be mortal enemies. I suspect that they would enjoy debating their ideas over a cup of joe and tea.
Yeah, Ford was horrible, but that’s one thing that’s reasonable about Fordism. He knew that if he payed his employees well enough then they’d have money to spend. I don’t know how the idiots who are wealthy today don’t get that, but they assume their wealth is infinite and comes from nothing.
Seriously, this is Economics 101 shit and everyone in a position of power just pretends it doesn’t apply for some dumb ass excuse.
The more money people have, the more they will spend.
The more money spent in an economy, the more things are bought, the more opportunities for others to start businesses and make profit present themselves.
The system works better for everyone when money keeps circulating. That’s why UBI is becoming a popular solution to this problem.
The majority of money is stagnant in the US.
It has been siphoned from the working class and is currently kept in the assets of the rich.
And it needs to be redistributed for the system to work well again.
It’s like the prisoners dilemma. We were top left. Some companies thought they could pay less and still reap the benefits of other employers paying well, now everyone does that we’re bottom right
Hey let’s spend 20 million to market a ‘deal’ that will actually end up making us $100 million due to the increase in patronage. Remember, we can’t survive as a company if we don’t double shareholder earnings every fucking year in perpetuity
If you’re upper-income, earning over $100,000, things are good … What we see with middle- and lower-income consumers, it’s actually a different story.
When had this ever not been true? What a windbag.
Over $100K ain’t chump change, but that also isn’t the line where “upper income” starts.
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/heres-minimum-salary-required-be-considered-upper-class-2025
The Pew Research Center defines upper-income households as having incomes greater than $169,800, based on three-person households. For a household with a single earner and no additional income, that $169,800 is the minimum salary required to be upper class. With two earners, each with the same salary, that minimum would be $84,900 each.
And the difference between that level of “upper class” vs the truly wealthy is insane.
Unless you’re in places like CA or NYC, $170k allows for a very comfortable life. It’s nothing to scoff at and it is absolutely beyond what most people in this country have.
But when thinking of the “upper class,” I think most people picture lush lives. Mansions, yachts, foreign vacations, private schools, house staff, etc.
I don’t think most people imagine someone who lives in a nice suburban neighborhood, saves enough money for retirement that they actually expect to retire in their 60s, and takes a modest vacation every year. But that’s closer to what $170k gets you. It’s comfortable and it’s a life most people would kill to have. But it’s a whole lot closer to a stereotyped “middle class” experience than it is to what most people imagine “upper class” to look like.
I was curious how many U.S. households earn at least $170k, and this website responded to asking about 170k by saying that the 80th percentile is $165,068.
So the top 20%, seems a reasonable metric to consider wealthy.
I’d go with 20% as upper class. I think of “wealthy” as having money that lets you come and go as you please, just buy a fancy car if you want without really having to think about the finances of it.
There is a D&D-type game that measures wealth as a rating of 0 to 5, and you can make essentially unlimited purchases of items costing up to 1 below your wealth rating essentially at-will. So someone can buy a sandwich whenever, someone else could take a decent vacation/cruise whenever, another could buy a decent car without worry, one could buy a nice house like it’s nothing, and finally someone who could buy a mansion or private jet without real concern. Those in the couple-hundred-million to billions range.
I’d draw the Wealthy line somewhere in the mid-4 range on that scale. You could also consider it as “the point where safe/moderate investments could continue supplying a family plenty of comfort without working for two+ generations”.
Don’t get me wrong I’d love to be top 20%, but they’re still so solidly middle class it’s not even funny.
I believe we are arguing over semantics of upper class vs wealthy.
I’m not even sure I would say we are arguing. You provided your version I offered mine. We disagree, maybe, but I don’t think either of us is concerned enough to make a concerted effort to change the other’s opinion.
Yes, I did just argue over the semantics of argument itself. What of it? This is
Americathe Internet, after all.
You lost me at “vacation”, like that’s a real thing? (/s)
This has gotta be some AI drivel. It even tried to say upper class in San Francisco starts at $69k so unless they’re talking about 1930 this is nonsense.
uh there are still loads of people living on like 30k/yr. you 100k people will fucking live
The only people you should be concerned about are the ones in the 270k/yr and up tax bracket.
100k/yr isn’t enough in a lot of places.
I never suggested otherwise. I was pointing out how disconnected from reality the really “upper income” CEO is.
Psst, hey, got a handy hint for you: you can actually raise wages at your business without it being mandated by minimum wage laws.
The McDonalds CEO has no control on the hourly wages set by franchisees outside of a general “pay more.” The McDonalds corporate controls a very small portion of actual restaurants, they mostly just lease land.
Paying an employee minimum wages just means you’d pay them less if it was legal.
Yup. The bare minimum because the law says you must.
These fuckers would all keep slaves if it wasn’t illegal. It’s not the ethical and moral disgrace of slave owning that stops them, but the legal aspect of it.
so? that’s why laws exist, right?
it is indicating the employers attitude towards their workers
I’m going to go out on a limb here, and say that the CEO of McDonald’s is aware of that.
The rationale here is that if they get minimum wage increasesed, they can raise their workers wages without the reality or perception that they’re ceding a fiduciary advantage to their competitors.
It’s a reality that needs to be addressed. Some major corp had to eventually acknowledge it. Everyone knew it, nobody wanted to be the first to say it.
The first step is admitting there is a problem. The gravity of even this first step, and the fact that it’s from Trump’s fucking gold standard for food and American business, is massive.
Yeah, but you don’t get to keep your job in publicly traded companies if you aren’t hitting the delusional talking points of people bent on burning society and country down so they can get a 9th yacht.
It’s Fordism, the dude literally realizing his employees can’t even eat there. Since most of his employees are on government assistance, it’s true corporate welfare while he pretends he can’t change things.
I hope Boston Dynamics is working on a robot that can operate a guillotine; we have an industrial scale of resetting to get through.
Ummm… Isn’t this already true of McDonald’s? They aren’t at $18 an hour everywhere, but I believe the average is $15+ for starting wages. I would guess they haven’t hired anyone for anything successfully at minimum wage. (Edit: my guess is wrong. Can’t even serve fries with dignity in oklahoma. Crazy.)
This isn’t generosity; several market forces push fast food in this direction. In fact, it makes a lot of sense for this CEO to lobby for it. It will cost competition more than it will cost them.
I took a job at McDonald’s for a bit a few years ago. (Living in a small town in Oklahoma when my car broke down and all I could reasonably walk to was Walmart and McDonald’s) They didn’t start everyone at minimum wage. They started everyone at $8.00/hr. 😞
I did eventually get hired at the Walmart (and eventually move to civilization) at $14/hr.
Lmao “the poors can’t afford our shit… maybe now is the time to advocate for higher minimum wage” fuck off corpo dickheads
“skipping breakfast or eating at home”
Look, McDonald’s breakfast is pretty damn good, and is super nostalgic. But holy fuck 1030 cutoff and like $6 for a mass produced, frozen sausage patty, English muffin, and a Kraft single is insane.
Also, I just meal prepped us an awesome breakfast for the next two weeks. Like 15lbs of chunked potatoes, mushrooms, onions, hot sausage slices, and bell peppers, seasoned with Chile powder and garlic butter, oven roasty-toasted to golden brown, and tossed into containers in the fridge.
Then in the morning, I plate a big scoop or so of that and microwave it until it’s hot, and fry two eggs with runny yolks, topped with salt and fresh ground black pepper and some hot sauce (like valentina) on the plate. Fork, toast, glass of milk or coffee.
Fuck you, McDonald’s. Like 30 meals-worth was only like $35 bucks, and kicks the shit out of most things.
I look forwards to breakfast everyday now.
my local bagel shop sells a fresh bagel on a fresh egg with cheese for $7.
My god that sounds amazing. We don’t have bagel places around here and I’d fucking kill for something like that. Also now I’m hungry.
I was always told mushrooms have a limited shelf life after being cooked, 3-4 days.
Good point. I should freeze it all in portions, soon, maybe tomorrow.
The worst feeling is getting food poisoning or even just mild gastric upset and not knowing why.
As I get older I have started listening more to the traditional wisdoms and not eating the pizza that has been out of refrigeration for two days.
Coward, real men like their pizza with biofilms
You shouldn’t be keeping food in the fridge for 2 weeks. 4-5 days max. You should immediately freeze it when you cook it. Don’t wait a few days before freezing it.
…might let it cool first, then freeze it!
Freezing something is cooling something.
It is, but putting a hot thing next to other cold things also warms them, and can allow bacterial growth to start if it’s a large enough heat source. Letting it cool some first avoids that.
Yes, if it’s too hot, it could warm up your fridge or freezer and cause other food to spoil. It’s still best for food safety to be cooling and freezing as fast as possible. Restaurants would use an ice bath to quickly bring the temperature down before putting it into the freezer.
Definitely need to cool it. Even if not freezing. When I worked in restaurants we had a cooling shelf in the walk-in that we had to stir the 40lb batch of ground beef now and then
It is amazing how many people just didn’t know these basics…
I thought everyone’s mom taught this
But no 🤡
Or just throw it away while also complaining about grocery prices
how do you know when someone abuses animals don’t worry they never stop telling you
If there’s a point you’re trying to make I, can’t tell what it is
The point they were trying to make is meat bad and you should feel bad for eating it. Notice how they took the typical 'how do you know someones a vegan because they tell you" schtick they undoubtedly got hit with and reflect it back on others.
Some people have no sense of pragmatic reality and need some cause to feel good about themselves. The solution for some is to force everyone around them to watch food inc and virtue signal to fill in the void of where a real unique personality + opinion set should be. According to vegans agriculture as a whole is evil and everyone who eats a hamburger is equivalent to a sociopath who tortures animals for fun.
Unfortunately they would have a point about cruelty and inhumane industrial farming practices, which is completely undercut by obnoxious high-horsing and blaming people for buying the hamburgers instead of the industry and lack of even the most basic rights for non-human animals. Fruits and veggie diet is good for you definitely, its a shame that people cant resist the urge to be smug pricks about it.
Go off, king.
I would, but im too busy getting the grill fired up ;)
bLoOdMoUtH
Just being annoying… He defended pedophiles a while back too.
The irony here, lol. I think you know that the joke usually is told about vegans. In your attempt to flip the script, you end up playing your part perfectly.
Comes into the conversation not looking to participate, makes sure that everyone knows that they are vegan. Doesn’t elaborate. Hilarious 10/10 vegan satire. I love vegans, but man are some of you ever easy to laugh at.
The guy probably donates to the republicans that help him suppress wages and give him massive tax breaks but offers up this nugget of wisdom the rest of us have lived with for decades now?
I haven’t gone to a mcdonald’s by choice in almost 4 years now. When my meal rose from 12-13$ to 17-18$ I stopped going. Just for the chuckle I put that same meal into the app, it’s now 22$ after tax. yea no I’ll just go to apple bees or dominos and get more food for less.
Their cheeseburgers were literally called “dollar cheeseburgers”
I would go and get 8 fucking cheeseburgers for like $10 after tax
I stopped going when I noticed my dollar cheeseburger cost me 2 dollars each. I don’t make double my income now McDonald’s, why do you think you deserve double price?
i remember several years ago as a kid thinking “hey why’d they raise the cost of a cheeseburger from 10 SEK to 13 SEK? isn’t the whole point that you can just fish out a single coin to buy a burger?”
I remember the last time I ate at mcds. Summer 2020, middle of move, wrapping up about 2am. mcds is the only thing close that’s open, don’t want to have to drive anywhere. I remember their dollar menu used to be tolerable.
Cost me $10 for the “value meal” of the two tiny wimpy cheeseburgers that used to be a dollar, small fries and small drink. And I had to get the meal because it was cheaper than buying separately like I used to do. That is more than double the price I used to have to pay for that meal.
Im in Canada and it’s crazy that a Big Mac meal now costs close to $20. In a great competitive move, Burger King now has a whopper jr meal for $5 which honestly is enough for me. I’ve been taking advantage of it. The thing is, with prices what they are, instead of bringing back the value Menus, these fast food chains need to keep only the value menu, because that was their whole point. Over time the burgers got bigger and crazier and more costly. I just want to go back to getting a regular burger with a normal, non fat person amount of fries and a small drink and not break the bank.
Remember original McDonald’s only really had the small hamburger and cheeseburger and fries, not all these other burgers and that was enough, and kept your fast food meal cheap
That’s interesting to me, I always thought it was more of an American thing. I’m in Canada and a Big Mac meal is 11.49. Breakfast with chicken McMuffin, hash brown, and coffee is $5. Obviously not super cheap like it used to be but it doesn’t seem unreasonable to me.
The last time I was there the dollar menu meal still existed I think. Fairly certain the last time I was there was probably around 2011/2012, to pick up some chicken nuggets for some kids.
The last time I went there regularly, you could buy two full meals for less than 5 bucks (or at least really close to it). And even that was overpriced. This is a place that has insane profit margins, but will yell at employee for putting an extra pickle slice on anything. And there’s some low quality pickles to be honest.
I haven’t been inside a McDonald’s in… 15 years? 20 maybe? When I stopped it was because I realized it’s disgusting food. Since then I’ve added the whole fuck-corpos thing to that.
Yeah, I used to eat the occasional burger there years ago but it got way too expensive for food that is basically poisoning me.
I can get a large pizza from Dominos for less than 10 bucks with a coupon if I pick it up myself.
Curious what your meal is. Where I’m at, you can get a large fry and drink for $1.50 altogether, then after that it’s just the cost of the sandwich. If you order 15min ahead of time, you can immediately place another order after you pick up the first for another deal for the sandwich also, so you can get away with a double quarter pounder with cheese, large fry, large drink for $6.50.
You’re describing an elaborate maneuver to get a meal at the price it used to be without “app exclusive deals” etc. The turn to app-ification is shit.
McDonald’s has traded “cheap” and “convenient” for gamification. They’re not the only ones, either
100% I know the app is cheaper. I refuse to download the app and accept binding arbitration for if their food kills me somehow. Fuck your app, I’m just not eating there.
? A deal for a drink and fry for $1.50 if you’re using the app anyway isn’t elaborate, you can order your regular sandwich with that and still only pay $8. So exactly what is going on with the $22 order, I want to know. Just tell me what the order is. Should be simple enough.
Being given virtual coupons daily so you can afford a large double QP with cheese meal for $6.50, which is like 2005 prices, is not gamification. I agree that all of their prices should be less, fuck, I’d have free food offices like the post office where anyone can pick up pre-made hot or cold meals.
But you sound like a boomer or child who can’t take two seconds to think and order, $22 is some nonsense
Having to use an app to order from a drive through restaurant to get the food down to semi-affordable is bullshit and you know it. What about people (for whatever reason) don’t have access to a smartphone with the McDonald’s app?
You’re making a completely different argument, please fuck off. You’re fighting just to fight. Read what I write and if you have beef with corporate McDonald’s, go email them.
The OP said originally:
Just for the chuckle I put that same meal into the app, it’s now 22$ after tax
THIS is what sounds like nonsense to me, if they actually used the app then I wanna know their order and why they didn’t use any deals. It is disingenuous at best, and sounds genuinely stupid to anyone who uses the app.
In no place ever did I argue that the app itself is a good thing or fair. It just isn’t gamification to distribute coupons digitally though. That isn’t what gamification is. The rewards points on the app can be argued as gamification, sure, but we were never discussing those (so see my first sentence). But not the virtual coupons, unless you want to argue that all coupons are gamification, however I don’t think anyone else sees coupons as such. Especially using (1) coupon, there’s no way their order was $22. This is likely a lie. I’m tired of lies. Aren’t you?
It just isn’t gamification to distribute coupons digitally though. That isn’t what gamification is.
I’m not trying to suggest that distributing the coupons digitally is the gamification, I’m arguing that the shift to app only coupons and ‘rewards’ and ‘app exclusive deals’ overall is a form of gamification.
You’re boasting about how you min-maxxed their system, you’re gonna tell me that they didn’t find a way to lure you in with a bit of dopamine when you think you’ve found a hack?
I remember a couple years back the limit to app coupons was once per day and they’ve changed it to 15 minutes. All of these coupon restrictions are arbitrary, they control the whole system.
- 20% off $20
- Free X after Y team won
- Tuesday only deal, free fries friday
A set of rules that can be applied. takes advantage of human desire to optimize. sounds like gamification to me
“Boasting” Jesus, you all cannot argue in good faith.
All of these coupon restrictions are arbitrary, they control the whole system.
Lemmy user discovers what a coupon is, more at 7
Again, none of this is my original argument. Go email McDonalds. My point is that I want to know their order, because no way is a normal order $22 especially with their coupons. All of your weird other arguments and stories are you barking at the wind, because you certainly aren’t discussing the original topic or anything I have said.
Why would you buy two orders when you only want one? Wouldn’t that literally double the cost, too?
No change in cost? It’s $6.50 altogether - $1.50 for drink and fries, and about $5 for the double QP (40% off deal). The app limits you to one deal per order every 15 minutes. The 15 minute timer starts when the order is placed, however, and they may make your food early but not usually for fries and a drink. So you place the 2nd order after you pick up the first so you can use another deal to order the sandwich, once the timer expires.
Oh I see, you order fries and a drink using a deal to get $1.50, wait fifteen minutes, and then order a burger with another deal?
Right
On first reading that, I thought it was a bit fiddly or sort of defeating the point of “fast”, but actually the more I think about it… Fair enough lol, that’s cheap for that much food
The price per calorie (.004 cents per cal) is pretty good, and you can place the first order while you drive over so you don’t have to wait long. 15min timer starts when order is placed on phone.
this is the economy you helped create dickshitter.
Ohh I am sorry you doubled your price over last decade…
Did the wages double?
I hope idiots stop eating your slop… Deny the parasite profit.
As a Shareholder this man needs to be FIRED! If POORS can’t Afford our Meals then we should RAISE the Prices so that NON POORS can Also not Eat our Food because for $15 you can get a MUCH BETTER HAMBURGER Elsewhere! And then we can FIRE Cooks too to save even MORE Money!
Next: replacing the customers with kiosks
There’s always room in the CEO budget - George Bluth
Americans tried to escape Fordism, but eventually you need someone to buy the thing you’re trying to sell.
