Russia’s more than happy to throw gas on the fire, for sure.
But they didn’t start it. They’re taking advantage of the failures of capitalist neoliberalism in the West for their own advantage, but - and this is crucial - the existence of those failures is not something paranoia about Russia can address.
In the US, you literally had people from the Democratic party discussing how BLM was a Russian front, because the Russians were happy to show how the US treated people. But Russia didn’t put those racist cops, Russia didn’t give them immunity - Russia didn’t make the US have the world’s largest prison population that’s overwhelmingly minority.
You don’t want Brexit, don’t have wealth gaps and massive housing costs so people can be pushed to blame their shitty lives on Polish immigrants.
Man, sometimes I hate internet discourse, everything is hyperbole all the time and the only recognized positions are extremes.
“maybe next time dont listen to russian propaganda.” - “You think […] Brexit only exists because of Russia?”
“Russia is bad for this world” - “Are you suggesting Russia should be destroyed?”
And again jumping on shit nobody here said or even insinuated.
Someone just mentions that Brits should not have listened to Russian propaganda concerning Brexit and you immediately start this entire script fighting one strawman after another, somehow ending up in american politics for fucks sake.
Nobody said it was only due to propaganda, nobody even said it was mainly due to propaganda, nobody said that Russia should be destroyed.
Calm down mate, take a breather and stop fighting things you just imagine that other people are saying, because they’re not.
This ‘I’m so tired of internet discourse’ act is a classic move to shut down a conversation you’re losing. You’re conflating a critique of a toxic leadership with a call for destruction because you can’t actually defend Putin’s record. Russia’s military is an international embarrassment and its leadership is a global parasite; those aren’t ‘extreme positions,’ they’re the consensus of anyone not on the Kremlin’s payroll. You aren’t ‘drained’—you’re just out of arguments.
My bad I am not being thoughtful about this, I am responding to russian shills with AI responses I truly am putting in the minimal amount of effort. Sorry!
I was actually going to say more horrid shit instead of just that but I remembered I have Russian friends and didn’t actually feel that way I am just angry.
Lol what? You think that because Russia spread some money around Brexit only exists because of Russia?
It’s like the idiots in the US that ignore 70 million people voted for Trump, and want to pretend the only reason for that is that Russia spent $100,000 on Facebook ads. Because they don’t want to address the actual problems that’s destroying their societies. Much easier to just claim it’s all Putler or something.
The West pretty much showed to Russia in the 1990s and 2000s that it was going to consider international relations a zero sum game. So Russia is of course going to work to make the problems the US and UK have worse, as the US has done with Russia.
Do you not understand that just because something is to Russia’s advantage, and Russia wants it to happen, does not mean that Russia can make it happen?
If you think Brexit was to the benefit of Russia, and you oppose Russia’s government (as you should) - OK. Then why wouldn’t you want to address the root causes that are powering anti-EU parties all over? Take away the fuel.
maybe next time dont listen to russian propaganda.
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The ties were pretty clear with the Brexit propaganda campaign.
As are the ties with other far right movements around the world.
Russia’s more than happy to throw gas on the fire, for sure.
But they didn’t start it. They’re taking advantage of the failures of capitalist neoliberalism in the West for their own advantage, but - and this is crucial - the existence of those failures is not something paranoia about Russia can address.
In the US, you literally had people from the Democratic party discussing how BLM was a Russian front, because the Russians were happy to show how the US treated people. But Russia didn’t put those racist cops, Russia didn’t give them immunity - Russia didn’t make the US have the world’s largest prison population that’s overwhelmingly minority.
You don’t want Brexit, don’t have wealth gaps and massive housing costs so people can be pushed to blame their shitty lives on Polish immigrants.
Look here is one of their shills now.
That’s one way to put it.
Try this: “Russia is bad for this world”
Are you suggesting Russia should be destroyed?
Specifically Russian leadership. Without a doubt. Try this: “Putin is bad for Russia”
Man, sometimes I hate internet discourse, everything is hyperbole all the time and the only recognized positions are extremes.
“maybe next time dont listen to russian propaganda.” - “You think […] Brexit only exists because of Russia?”
“Russia is bad for this world” - “Are you suggesting Russia should be destroyed?”
It’s so draining.
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And again jumping on shit nobody here said or even insinuated.
Someone just mentions that Brits should not have listened to Russian propaganda concerning Brexit and you immediately start this entire script fighting one strawman after another, somehow ending up in american politics for fucks sake.
Nobody said it was only due to propaganda, nobody even said it was mainly due to propaganda, nobody said that Russia should be destroyed.
Calm down mate, take a breather and stop fighting things you just imagine that other people are saying, because they’re not.
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This ‘I’m so tired of internet discourse’ act is a classic move to shut down a conversation you’re losing. You’re conflating a critique of a toxic leadership with a call for destruction because you can’t actually defend Putin’s record. Russia’s military is an international embarrassment and its leadership is a global parasite; those aren’t ‘extreme positions,’ they’re the consensus of anyone not on the Kremlin’s payroll. You aren’t ‘drained’—you’re just out of arguments.Dude, I’m not the person you were responding to and I’m on your side in this?
My bad I am not being thoughtful about this, I am responding to russian shills with AI responses I truly am putting in the minimal amount of effort. Sorry!
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Well I never mentioned destroying anyone so I didn’t think I needed to specify what needed to be destroyed until that was brought up.
is what I was responding to
I was actually going to say more horrid shit instead of just that but I remembered I have Russian friends and didn’t actually feel that way I am just angry.
I suggest russia china india and america and canada should be decolonised and balcanised
Balkanized.
Maybe russia should stop being the bad guy. Easy as that
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Lol what? You think that because Russia spread some money around Brexit only exists because of Russia?
It’s like the idiots in the US that ignore 70 million people voted for Trump, and want to pretend the only reason for that is that Russia spent $100,000 on Facebook ads. Because they don’t want to address the actual problems that’s destroying their societies. Much easier to just claim it’s all Putler or something.
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Why did Russia bother doing anything if it would’ve happened regardless apparently?
To aid it and make it worse?
The West pretty much showed to Russia in the 1990s and 2000s that it was going to consider international relations a zero sum game. So Russia is of course going to work to make the problems the US and UK have worse, as the US has done with Russia.
– Foundations of Geopolitics (1997) by Aleksandr Dugin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
Also see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendum
Do you not understand that just because something is to Russia’s advantage, and Russia wants it to happen, does not mean that Russia can make it happen?
If you think Brexit was to the benefit of Russia, and you oppose Russia’s government (as you should) - OK. Then why wouldn’t you want to address the root causes that are powering anti-EU parties all over? Take away the fuel.