If liberals would stop rolling over and trying to get along with bullies then we’d never be HERE at this shitty ass point in time.
I knew knuckles had something I deeply liked
Strong feminist values?
Idris Elba’s sexy voice?
Knuckles is a based comrade 😁
My queen, do you know de wey?
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Liberals: What are you offering?
Leftists: Wtf dude??!!
far-right: i just hate latinas, sonic
Phoney “progressives” want to fight us, FTFY
Us communists and socialists, anarchists, etc. don’t normally call ourselves “progressives,” progressive is usually something social democrats call themselves.
Ahhhh liberals, spreading the same sinophobia and anti-DPRK sentiment as the righties worded a bit different and with a pride flag 😄 🫠
Even among leftists, the AES countries are a sore subject. Most leftcoms, libcoms, trots, hoxhaists, and maoists are critical of places like the DPRK (if they don’t just outright reject them in their entirety.)
don’t forget the red-scare propaganda, almost exactly as told by the far-right
I am going to scare some libs watch!
Libs: Waaa how could you support NK! It’s run by a dictator who keeps his people in ruin and absolutely kills millions!!! MSNBC told me so!
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Why not? Is sucking dick bad or demeaning in some way?
It’s generally seen as a submissive act to do it to someone else. There’s nothing inherently wrong with it, just like there’s nothing inherently wrong with wanting to lick your partner’s feet. However performing a submissive act of that nature on someone who doesn’t deserve it is questionable and kinda sad.
Inb4 “ur homophobic”
A) I’m not taking an accusation like that from someone who’s username is mathemachristian
B) I literally told my girlfriend the other day that when I visit her I’m going to suck her dick so hard she’ll think she had bottom surgery. IDK what the fuck that was supposed to mean, but she liked it.
Edit: I’ve seen people try to set that trap before. It’s a cheap way to “gotcha” someone and is usually used to try and accuse them of being homophobic (something about sucking dick being something only gay men do, which isn’t even remotely true lol). I see people resort to stuff like that when they don’t have anything of more substance. It also ignores that the potential that the user themselves is gay.
Yes.
Please.
Tell me how I, a transbian, am homophobic.
Edit 2: apparently people thought I was saying “you don’t have to suck their dick just because they’re questionably communist” was supposed to be an insult? No, it’s not the act itself lmao. I’ve sucked cock and I’ve been told I’m very good at it, and that’s not something I shy away from. Nor is there anything wrong with being a sub. I’m a really subby furry ffs. No, it’s the idea that someone would suck an authoritarian’s dick is what I find issue with. It’s not the what, it’s the who. Just like I’d be very concerned if you were sucking off Trump; however if you said you wanted to suck off some widely loved political figure or celebrity then I’d be all for it.
Are you trying to tell me you did not mean “suck their dick” in an insulting way like “lick their boot”? That you meant it in an actually very sex-positive way?
What irks me about sexual insults is that they require sex to be seen as shameful in order to work. If you understand sex as nothing more than a personal matter between adults, without any ‘special’ significance, then the insult can only be annoying in an unintended way.
I understand that it is supposed to be a crude metaphor for getting a point across, but it is really lazy rhetoric and only feeds into Northern culture’s need to stigmatize sex as shameful or shocking.
performing a submissive act of that nature on someone who doesn’t deserve it is questionable and kinda sad.
Even if that were the case here, it would be nobody else’s business, just like Mossy Feathers’s sexual relations with her lover aren’t—or at least shouldn’t have been—any of our concern. This is exactly the sort of unsophisticated thinking that I would expect from somebody who uses sexual insults.
What irks me about sexual insults is that they require sex to be seen as shameful in order to work.
Spot-on. It requires sex to be negative. Those who use sexual insults often confuse destigmatizing sex in general with taking a sex-positive stance, just because you use sex in conversation doesn’t get rid of the regressive overtones.
I just meant “quit pleasuring an authoritarian shithead”.
Are you trying to tell me that you thought I was saying that sucking dick is inherently a bad thing? I’m a fucking furry. Are you actually serious right now? It’s not the act, it’s who you’re doing it to, ffs.
It’s generally seen as a submissive act to do it to someone else.
Yes we already know that societally it’s employed as a homophobic and highly sexualized demeaning slur. Everything you wrote after is just apologizing for your use of it.
If it’s not homophobic because women can also suck dick, provide a single example of this attack being deployed on a woman.
I’m a woman. I’ve been told to stop sucking someone’s dick, and someone told another friend to stop doing it to me. And before you ask, no, I don’t have screenshots because I’m not a weirdo who feels the need to record every VC/VRC conversation I have.
This clarification feels tedious but apparently necessary: a political attack made in public.
I wonder if you’d defend the f-slur as not being homophobic because some gay friends of mine might use it subversively. That is not in the context you were asked for an example.
It’s entirely possible to be a communist while also believing that NK is a shitty country.
You have missed the point entirely, NK isnt a “shitty country” because that is just a false narrative put forth by the empire’s massive media manipulation/propaganda anti-communist machine.
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What’s wrong with that? Without authority in the current world context, you simply get eaten alive. The DPRK has to spend a lot of resources into it’s military, much much more than then would like, because otherwise they would get fucking bombed back to the middle ages by the americans, again.
Yeppers, based on the ever-present empire totally-the-truth about the “authoritarianism” of the DPRK or CCP or any communistic leaning government they don’t like 😁
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The dprk doesn’t exist in a vacuum, many of these policies are in place due the constant state of exception the DPRK is in due to US economic sanctions and US military bases in south korea, which they perform invasion drills every single year. I very much prefer how they live than how countries live after they’re bombed the US, e.g. Libya. And i cannot imagine a well read south korean being content with their position as a vassal, like it or not, north koreans have much more actual freedom
Your response is right out of the middle liberal bell curve
I’m not even a liberal but OK. also nice non-response
Okay statist, enjoy being abused by the cops.
Sov-cit ass comment
Forgot to change accounts
No?
Meanwhile right wingers were the only ones that tried to shoot Trump while “actual leftists” created memes about how tough "actual leftists"are.
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Isn’t that “right wingers” still even if it’s his own corrupt pals?
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Why would leftists want to shoot Trump? He’s worsening the conditions under capitalism which is a win for us.
Had Crooks succeeded at the time, there may have been a martyr situation. Might have ended up worse.
Trump is a cult that dies with him. That’s like saying no one should have killed Hitler.
Best thing Hitler ever did tbh
Pure Great Man Theory nonsense
It’s not nonsense. It’s human nature. People are, in general, not different than their tribal ancestors from 300,000 years ago.
The forces that create the environment for a Hitler to come to power are different than the personality cult that develops after the person is in power.
It’s human nature
When ever you see this, is guaranteed that whatever follows is baseless pseudoscience.
Ah yes, evolution. The well known pseudoscience.
Oh yeah, by all means, cite the peer reviewed biology papers showing that Great Man Theory is Evolutionary Biology, because, yes, “it’s evolutionary biology!” Is the number one catch phrase of people spouting baseless pseudo science.
Weren’t the allies putting off Hitler assassinations due to fear of him being replaced by someone more competent?
Not that I ever heard of. Please provide a link.
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probably not tho
You know what it wouldn’t have ended up as? What we have now.
What’s the death toll at currently for innocent people?
No, it would probably have ended up much worse than what we have now
Yis, the movie that made GUN just incidentally involved instead of the whole problem. Also where tf was City Escape? Still love you, Sonic.
0/10 worst movie ever, no City Escape
I almost walked out and left my kids in the theatre. They didnt get it.
There IS a chase scene through a city. Though it’s more akin to Radical Highway, admittedly.
actually i don’t really want to fight anyone. i think what we need is wisdom and ideas to lay out a plan forward; what we need is a thinktank to actually develop visions for the future. instead what we have is a lot of blaming-the-other-one. that’s barely productive. we need to have positive visions for the future again.
You’ll shake hand with Nazis on your way to Auschwitz
Wisdom and ideas only go as far as the system can actually be changed to fit them. Since socialism is necessary and capitalists will never cede power, revolution is necessary to get to a better world.
What if their “positive visions for the future” is genocide, lebensraum and white supremacy?
I don’t think that positive visions for the future make any money
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the only thing we could take away from this insight of yours is that it’s okay for westoids to balkanize literally everywhere else that isn’t in the Global North.
No one’s stopping you. Go get locked up.
Who said anything about physically fighting? Liberals roll over to the right in all manner, in the courts, legislatively, when they are in power…
Who said anything about physically fighting?
I did.
Oh, then by all means. Maybe show up to a Democratic primary once in a while and you’ll get your chance.
Leftist here. We do. Remember Bernie. We still doing shit like that.
All Debbie Wasserman-Schultz succeeded in doing was shorting Bernie on ad revenue. If we did our civic duty in learning about the candidates on the primary ballot and voted in every election, that wouldn’t have mattered at all.
and get sabotaged by the party in favor of some old conservative fart like joe biden?
That’s a form of cognitive distortion, not a political strategy. Mamdani won against 10 other candidates because we showed up. We have literal evidence that’s all it takes. Quit with the victim mentally and take your country back.
i hope mamdani succeeds and all, but that’s literally what happened the last few us presidential elections. electoralism is historically incapable of defeating fascism.
Typical all or nothing response. Let’s forget the 535 members of Congress have primaries every 2-4 years so we can complain that ‘it was either Fetterman or Dr. Oz’ when Fetterman beat three primary contenders, two of whom were progressive, in a primary that saw <9% turnout.
If you think abstaining is the solution, why has it only made things worse for the last 40 years?
and none of that system has solved the issue for us in the various decades it has existed.
you think abstaining is the solution
no i don’t, that’s not what any of us are arguing for.
why has it only made things worse for the last 40 years
because most people have insisted for that time voting is the only solution worth pursuing. its not, that system works against us making it on of the least effective solutions.
Nobody says abstaining is the solution. Electoralism in general is not a solution. Organizing, joining working class parties with revolutionary intent, is the only solution.
Friend, what a pointless waste of time with the uniparty, they will do whatever is needed to manipulate away any real change
Im impressed by your willingness to argue with crayon eaters those past couple days
Thanks i try 😁
they are flooding this instance lately for some reason
Maybe something to do with the whole epstein thing going on?
Whenever I come across one of these lemmy.ml posts where this general topic of leftists shitting on western libs comes up, it always makes me curious.
I understand what y’all hate. I regularly hear what doesn’t work (voting). But I never hear a concise, specific, tactical thing that I as an individual could do.
Sometimes I’ll see very generic notes about how “nothing’s ever going to change until a unified, violent, upheaval happens”, but that’s about the closest I’ve ever seen.
So please. Indulge me. I’m a US lefty lib. What should I be doing if I want to help leftist causes (pro-labor / break up corporations / etc).
Because I swear to gods. According to folks here:
- voting? Doesn’t work
- donating? You’ll never outspend
- grass roots whatever? They’ll stomp you out
- acts of coordinated violence? We’d never say that explicitly
What then? I hate the current trajectory of my country and feel helpless to change anything with the tools I have at hand. Give me one practical thing I can do to help unfuck this mess.
(And to the FBI listening in. I’d never do anything illegal based on advice of Internet strangers. I just wanna hear them say, out loud, what I think they really want to say)
Join an org like PSL. Organizing is step number 1, reading theory is arguably step number 2. The working class’s greatest strength is in unified action, so joining a good socialist party, one that is revolutionary but still connected to the people, is the primary task. Revolution isn’t something you just do, though, the working class party has to be seen by the working class as their party, which is accomplished by genuinely working to improve their lives. When revolution happens, it’s the party’s job to lead, forming the tip of the spear.
I’m a member of DSA, and they have a far better strategy than trying to rally around a third-party. It’s all about the Democratic primaries.
No, the DSA doesn’t have a better strategy. PSL gets more done per member, and actually has the cohesion to get things done. PSL is at the forefront of the ongoing protests against Trump, Israel, etc right now.
Maybe if Red Star Caucus became the only caucus in the DSA, they’d finally develop the cohesion necessary to wield its size properly. It’s certainly better to join an org than not, but if there’s both a PSL chapter and DSA in your area, you’d be far better off with PSL.
PSL’s primary advantage is that it’s a revolutionary party that doesn’t shy away from participating in elections. It isn’t focused on electoralism as the only strategy. The Democrats are a party of capital, they cannot be truly taken over.
If you’re honestly expecting a three-party system to emerge from FPTP, you need to work on your mathematics.
Liberals : “Play my rigged game”
Communists : “no”
Liberals : 😭😭😭
I don’t care if you play. I’m merely saying how continuing to do nothing is pointless. Good luck complaining the government out of power.
All meaningful positive change in the US happened outside of the theatre piece of electoral politics. These include:
- Socialist armies like vietnam’s bringing the US to heel ended the US draft.
- Large numbers of people protesting internally, brought the end of the vietnam war, rights for workers like the 8 hour day, women’s rights, etc. The US has one of the bloodiest labor histories of any country, and unfortunately the US state did defeat it, but all of the gains for US workers come from this historical period of anti-capitalist organization.
US electoralism is a distracting theatre piece, where both sides act as capitalist puppets. All positive change comes in spite of that system, when ppl start organizing outside of it.
Honestly at this point even a two-party system would be better than current one.
Then show up and vote in the primaries🤷♂️
You know what causes more harm than Democrats? People not voting for them because they’re not far enough to the left, and therefore moving the entire country to the right.
What teaches the Dems to move to the right is that those on the right actually get votes.
What teaches Democrats to move left is to mobilize for them and stifle any criticism as they move further to the right.
Sure friend, just keep voting for the ratchet! Im sure the genocidal zionoists like AOC will have a change of heart any day now!
Correct. What caused the Democrats to move right over the last 40 years were the retirees who continuously voted for centrist conservatives in primaries. They’re the only ones who always show up, hence the <15% congressional primary attendance.
Mamdani got the NYC primary up to a record 30%. That’s all it takes for us the move the Overton Window back to the left.
Mamdani got the NYC primary up to a record 30%. and they are already moving to put the kibosh on him! PROGRESS!
All they can do to him is withhold funding. He won the primary with a grassroots campaign. The part you really don’t understand is that short of voter suppression or ballot tampering, we control the election.
Do you eat fast food everyday because of advertising or do you choose to be self-informed and eat healthy? Do you blame Big Lettuce for not advertising salads enough?
Because the corporate Dems are scared when people actually show up to vote in the primary. That’s why we need to keep doing it to replace the Democratic leadership.
Why are you trying so hard to keep people from doing that? Are you an idiot, or are you a troll and actually want things to stay as they are?
