Yeah turns out the morons stopped reading newspapers and by the time the one who still read the news realized it, the online sphere was “alt right” I can’t even make ironic comments anymore because everyone reads at a 5th grade level; and if I’m sarcastic I get banned by a mod that doesn’t receive it well. And now we all have to compete with AI online, it’s time to crush all our phones and resort to local fucking activism with like one HAM radio operator per cell
and many “social media” forums leans right wing in various forms, so you might get banned very easily.
You wouldn’t know it with all of the crying they do any time a left-leaning policy position is shared online. You would think that they’re being bullied off of the internet.
Most of the ones labeled “left” here are pushing center right talking points at best.
The actual leftist online sources, like African Stream, are straight up banned from the platforms. The right wing sources dominate because they don’t challenge corporate interests, and are not subject to censorship.
Lying is easy and takes less time. Real news requires going places, interviewing people, fact checking, and presenting it in a professional manner.
It’s no wonder the right wing media ecosystem is bigger.
and also propaganda is easy to digest on the right too.
Lying is easy and takes less time.
A lot of these shows go hand-in-glove with traditional media. The police-blotter style coverage of local news, wherein a handful of old white people bemoan the latest string of young black man violent crimes gets picked up and fed into the Podcast Racism Engine and spat out as the show’s Two-Minute Hate of the day.
Then you have a congo-line of ex-military blowhards telling you how they got rich trading in their service pensions for crypto futures. You have the usual suspects lineup of incel sex pests complaining that America’s Newest Supermodel isn’t hot enough or isn’t Trad Enough, in between reading sponsor copy for whatever PR company paid them to say said Supermodel’s name twenty times in a given episode. You have interviews with C-list politicians who come on the show to cry about how you can’t say the N-word anymore, on account of the Woke. You have middling athletes at the end of their careers complain about how Transgender high schoolers are ruining the sport. You have middling songwriters at the end of their careers complain about how they pay too much in taxes and hate all three of their ex-wives. You have middling screenwriters demo a pilot episode of a cartoon series about Real Americans forced to use pronouns at gunpoint, then point you to the conservative version of Kickstarter with the promise of a full series that’ll never get produced once they have your money. And holy shit will you get an earful about Jesus.
All this takes a bunch of time and networking and tons of money to grease the wheels. Charlie Kirk ain’t doing this shit for free. But it’s stacked up like any classic MLM, with the kingpins racking in disproportionately more than any of their minions or guests.
It’s short-sighted to say these operations are just faster than traditional journalism, though. Lots of the names on that board have been bouncing around for decades. This is a long term, heavily financed, hugely lucrative propaganda machine. It dates back to the Nixon Era (arguably earlier) and quite a few folks have gone to their graves helping to build it.
Man it’s fucking wild seeing the US become split over political sides like they are sports teams.
they have been for decades, when i was in IR class in college, the professor, indian knows how partisan things are compared to other countries. although he dint at the time realize it was because of russia though. we were discussing various forms of govt in that class of different countries. (it was interesting class, but i dint want to stay in it.)
Yeah I’m sure it has but it’s reached a level that’s nonsensical and everything X does is bad because I believe in Y.
The right has more bots
TYT is left? Excuse the fuck out of me? Lmfao last I heard TYT was russia funded
not really surprised, russias geopolitics includes funding both sides so they fight each other, and to distract from russias external policies. hence culture wars was a gift to them. they are basically agitators.
I haven’t even heard of TYT in years. Somehow they still have 12m viewers? Do people listen to them to fall asleep or something lol
They showed up on my feed when I got real into police accountability/1st amendment audits on YT. They used to do some coverage of really outrageous police interactions, but they’ve been swinging hard at turning the argument from “accountability” to “don’t resist”. Not my cup of mud
Them deciding to name themselves after the party that committed the Armenian genocide, the event according to which the term was defined, is especially heinous. It’s like calling a show NSDAP live.
This is me. I get my news from Lemmy, a dude in New Z̶e̶e̶l̶a̶n̶d̶ Zealand , and a gardener in Oregon.
Sometimes a lady in Florida that owns a shed.
Get some of your news from a Scottish astronomer/gamer and Fly Safe!
That’s New Zealand, or Aotearoa if you prefer.
Seeing TYT “left-leaning” saddens me. If they were left-leaning, they are not anymore.
I must be missing something. I have been watching TYT recently after being impressed with Cenk’s arguments in his appearance on Jubilee. Regarding American politics, he is certainly left. Maybe people on Lemmy think otherwise because we have so many literal Communists, but in their videos they take every opportunity to rant against the “donor class” while criticising Republicans for obvious reasons and Democrats for being pro-Israel, their election shenanigans, or for generally not being radical enough.
The only politicians I’ve seen get much praise when I watch are Bernie and Zohran Mamdani, so that’s about where I would put them. If you don’t consider Social Democrats / Democratic Socialists to be left, I am curious where you think the centrist “origin point” of the political compass should be. I would think their policies would be left of the governments of almost any country on Earth.
jubilee seems very right leaning channel to me.
I don’t think they understand politics enough to discern ideology, so they take political labels at face value. That’s how you get 1 liberal (sam seder) vs 20 conservatives, and it turns out to be 1 jew vs 20 weird nazis.
They could be intentionally obtuse. Surely they’re intentionally provocative, the question is whether this is because of ignorance or malice. My guess is it’s something in between, where they’re smart enough to know what they’re doing but care more about the money. I mean they surely vetted the fascists they got on with Mehdi Hasan because most of those people are creators with content out there for all to see, so they knew exactly what views they were platforming and normalizing to a wide audience.
I don’t think they’re ideologically fascist, but I do think they’re evil, in the same way capitalists are evil: they always consciously choose their self-interest over accountability for the consequences of their actions (which they are well aware of). And if push comes to shove, they’d fight dirty (e.g. aligning with fascists and fascist narratives) to protect themselves from said accountability.
What makes you think that?
I think you may indeed miss something. It’s not the “people on Lemmy”. A few YouTubers on the left have noticed and made videos about TYT’s downfall. They now have ex employees like Hasan Piker and Francesca Fiorentini openly talking about how people are treated at TYT.
There’s also the whole thing about Ana getting “agitated” about some non-issues like “birth giving person” or some bullshit like that, and saying that she is done with the Democrats.
Another point that comes up often about them is how much they are willing to be friends with people of the right. They go on right wing shows to criticize the left. They also attack other YouTubers on the left like The Majority Report.
Beyond their sometimes seemingly balanced speeches, they are rapidly shifting on the right. They are becoming grifters.
I don’t want to link to a bunch of AI articles and/or long YouTube videos but this contains a bit of juice: https://novapsyche.substack.com/p/the-young-turks-daniel-penny-and
Thank you for the link and context. I’m not familiar with most of what you brought up, but I’ll check it out.
Hasan Piker is a socialist as far as I can tell so I guess they would be to the right of him. I hadn’t heard of Francesca Fiorentini.
I think I remember them talking briefly about a “birth giving person” label but they didn’t seem to treat it like a big issue at the time. They may have focussed on it more some other time and I just didn’t see.
One thing I do remember is when Cenk caused a stir as a guest at a TPUSA conference a few years back and focussed on common ground ideas like oppression from elites and disdain for legacy media and certain politicians, some on the left but also a lot for Mitch McConnell. If that’s what friendship means then I don’t have a problem with it I guess. He seemed consistent then with what he’s been saying now.
I guess another thing recently was praising Marjorie Taylor Greene for proposing cutting back on funding for Israeli missiles. Regardless of the background of the person launching it, the bill was a step in the right direction for them so they gave credit. Again, I would say it’s consistent with their values rather than it being a partisan thing. They are definitely not fans of hers.
A big part of avoiding echo chambers is holding people on your side accountable and examining perspectives from people who disagree with you. The criticism I’ve seen so far focuses on the actions that violate their stances and acknowledges counterarguments so I consider it generally fair.
The effect Cenk had on the people at that conference backfired. Kirk played him like a fiddle and they only talked about common ground issues. To their audience it came off as “we’re so right that even this leftist agrees with us”.
I actually have to thank TYT for turning me to the left. If it wasn’t for their constant retreat into smug milquetoast centrism when presented with “radical” solutions to help the poor and oppressed their rich asses pantomimed giving a shit about, I never would have realized I was an anarchist.
Since there’s no colour legend, I was really confused by this since blue means conservative and red means liberal in Canada.
UK is the same colour scheme as Canada, only red is labour (party of the working man).
That does sound confusing :)
How much overlap is there?
Because I’d bet the same type of asshole that listens to assholes like shapiro, peterson, etc, also listens to rogan.not much, they are funded by the same person/people, and the get thier propaganda marching orders from a “country” known for its troll farms.
I cannot imagine a sane moment in my life were I’d be completely OK listening to Russell Brand’s dog shit commentary for over an hour.
Asmongold…you have got to be shitting me. imagine getting your “news” from a guy that used a dead rat as an alarm clock, wipes the blood from his gums on his bedroom wall, used to routinely eat snacks that had maggots in them, and treats drinking water like it’s poison.
A guy who could barely play WoW and left his main account on twitch because making money from viewers on that was “too stressful” proceeds to start an alt channel where he nows grifts the right for money.
Chosen of Nurgle
Shitstaingold: “Muh Superior Western Culture”
Also Shitstaingold: “I never clean my room, have roaches, and never wash my hands”
🤣
Growing up in the 90s, teachers and adults were always saying “the geek shall inherit the Earth” or shit like that. We were told we would create a progressive and peaceful tech utopia with a post-scarcity economy where no one goes without.
Well, we did inherit the earth. And all that happened was hateful fucking dirtbags like Asmongold getting paid to play video games and wormtongue their far right incel bullshit into our kid’s ears.
I dunno who this person is… But this chart was apparently made my Media Matters according to the credits at the bottom.
All I know of him is he starts showing up on my YouTube if I dont wipe my brwser every few weeks. Haven’t watched anything of his but based off the video titles I’ve seen and his face I don’t see how anyone would want to watch them. He just looks dirty.
I don’t get why people dislike him so much. You don’t have to agree with everything he says, and he presents stuff pretty honestly. If you don’t like it, just don’t watch it
why follow someone that looks like homeless person, and never showered. people who dont like him arnt agreeing with him at all. and his recent drama with other influencers is quite stupid on his point.
I don’t watch him, and neither should you. He’s a con artist. It’s painfully obvious he’s grifting his viewer base with his “hot takes”. He doesn’t present jack shit honestly. Remember when he called the Palestinian people “inferior”? He discovered he could milk people like you for money by saying the most dumb shit and you eat it up like pigs eating shit.
Idk, his reaction content just comes up on my second monitor once in a while. I’ve never given him anything. I think it’s healthy to take in opinions other than my own, and I don’t get brainwashed by media personalities, but then again, I’m not American
You need to take a hard look at your life, and maybe seek some therapy
Alright buddy
The man is a biohazard that I can smell through the monitor.
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I will never understand how anyone can listen to Theo Von or Lex Fridman without losing thousands of brain cells per second.
They can’t. Which explains the whole manosphere train of thought
They go into listening to those people with less brain cells than an average healthy person. If you have a normal number of brain cells you don’t get caught up with that shit to begin with.
The young turks turned far right over night once Harris lost.
Last I saw them was them saying the left needs to start treating trans people shittier because my"most Americans are transphobic" and if we ever want to win an election again, we have to be transphobic.
As a trans person myself dating another trans person, where are we supposed to go?
You know every well where they want you to go.
How do you even talk to these people? The left is transphobic, you’re just calling the centre-right the left and stopping there.
Feels like the conversation can go no where because they view the left as just things they don’t agree with
They go where the money is.
i was going to say, there are some other things on here mislabeled as blue
It wasn’t over night. For example, their support for harris was far right in the first place.
Steven Crowder is a one trick pony
Change my mind
I can get him to roll over for you… I’m going to need a bit of cloth and some Bacardi 151
