• SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.worldEnglish
    57·
    4 days ago

    Remember that this is the fault of the countries wanting to join NATO so they can help the countries defend themselves against Russia and anything else you might hear is western imperialistic propaganda.

  • BubblyRomeo@kbin.earth
    386·
    4 days ago

    I fucking hate the fact that the lead developer of one of the most popular and widely used Fediverse software is a fucking commie and a genocide denier! Smh!

    • Psythik@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      2 days ago

      Authoritarian bootlickers are not real communists.

      True communists give the power to the people, not a dictator.

    • cm0002@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
      76·
      4 days ago

      Being a communist is fine, it’s the simping for authoritarian regimes that are communists-in-name-only (CINO)

      • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
        50·
        4 days ago

        I will for-real never understand the connection between “I like communism and power for working people” and “I support China and Russia.” The two statements simply have nothing at all to do with each other, they’re not compatible. I’ve asked some of them to explain it to me, and the closest I’ve gotten to an answer has been more or less that they don’t like the US, so they will support an enemy of the US, no matter how horrifying the enemy is or what crimes they are committing or whether they are communist or not.

        Congratulations, guys, you invented CIA logic. It was one of the dominant forces making the 20th century worse, which is saying quite a lot, and now you’re deep-throating it like you’re training for an event.

        • Eldritch@piefed.worldEnglish
          19·
          4 days ago

          Yeah, ultimately they are just hypocritically anti west. It’s never any deeper than that. Even when they try to deflect claiming you haven’t read enough theory. It’s like brother, have you ever thought critically? I’ve read most of C.S. Lewis’s books of fiction. But I’m not constantly expecting any lions or witches in my wardrobe.

          • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
            12·
            4 days ago

            Yeah. Even if they were just anti-West, it would be fine. I talked with someone around the first time Trump got elected who was super in favor of him, and he explained to me “The US keeps fucking up my country, and so if they put a moron in charge and he fucks up your country instead then (a) good (b) you deserve it © maybe then you’ll leave us alone.” I had absolutely no room to disagree with him. It made perfect sense.

            But on Lemmy, it’s never that. It’s always “There is no genocide in Xinjiang you’re just deluded by Western propaganda anyway it’s all NATO’s fault that half of Ukraine is a big rubble field and graveyard and Russia never lies, here watch Tucker Carlson and Dmitri Peskov, there’s a couple of guys who’ve got their heads on straight.” I guess it is cognitive dissonance, nobody wants to just say “Yes I am on team murderer because I don’t like your government, and regardless of what I say or do my guys are going to keep killing Ukrainian kids, so what’s the point of my trying to say they shouldn’t.”

            • Eldritch@piefed.worldEnglish
              9·
              4 days ago

              Yep, I legit have no beef with anyone that’s against the wests manipulation/exploitation of other countries/groups. Just those that would use it as an excuse or reason for others to do the same. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

        • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.worldEnglish
          15·
          2 days ago

          The difference between anarcho-communists tankies and regular communists is that anarcho-communists tankiesbeleive any means are necessary in achieving a communist society, even the violation of human rights and the rise of fascism.

          They’ve deluded themselves into thinking dictators like Stalin, Mao, Putin, and Xi will at some point decide to benevolently create an equal society instead of holding on to wealth and power at the expense of their subjects.

      • BubblyRomeo@kbin.earth
        52·
        4 days ago

        Fucking commie is fine

        Commies and “Fucking Commies” are two different categories. If we put them both on a spectrum, fucking commie would be at the extreme end while Commie would be at the lighter end. Dessalines is at the extreme end. Hence Fucking Commie!

        • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
          14·
          4 days ago

          I mean I was super happy to see when I first came to Lemmy and found out that communism and so on were common. It shows a healthy exchange of real differing views, it’s more similar to the old internet or BBS culture where you can find people who are for-real doing their own thing, not just Facebook or Google News or whatever other nightmare that the chaotic landscape that used to be the internet has become.

          Since then, I’ve gotten more familiar with them, and the shine has come off the rose a little bit lol. But I say that because of the particular breed of hard-authoritarian communism and all these dishonest and hateful ways of interacting that they all seem to have, not because I have a problem with communism.

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
      4·
      3 days ago

      i wonder were they ever on reddit? any of these people and got banned from them and decided to make thier own platform.

      • GreenMouse@piefed.socialEnglish
        41·
        3 days ago

        I was checking out Reddit recently, and there are plenty of tankies there, they don’t seem to be doing so badly, so I guess you have to be a tankiest tankie to get banned there.

        • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
          3·
          3 days ago

          im guessing if they are in thier niche subs, like a pro russia or china one they are safe. the mods sometimes can escalate the ban to an admin if they get pissed enough, the new thing is reddit has increased thier anti=spam filters.

  • GreenMouse@piefed.socialEnglish
    27·
    4 days ago

    Join the lemmy.ml boycott

    I’ve already blocked this… place. It might be a bit too much to block an entire instance, but their behavior is concerning.

  • pelespirit@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    12·
    4 days ago

    I think it’s interesting that RT said that trump is Russia’s counterpart. They’re saying he’s an authoritarian POS too.

    • milkisklim@lemmy.worldEnglish
      111·
      4 days ago

      Eh. That’s actually a pretty standard thing journalists do. What it means is that Both of them are presidents of their respective country.

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
      4·
      3 days ago

      trump is basically copying putins own govt, install loyalist, have said loyalist constantly fight each other, so no one can oppose you, weaken the military/ economy to achieve the same effect, have your own secret police.

    • cm0002@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
      11·
      3 days ago

      A couple of issues, on Lemmy “block” isn’t block it’s barely a mute. The only way to get a true block, is to be site banned by an instance. This is likely the way dessalines wants it, because it’s quite ridiculous.

      And it doesn’t help retain new users who might not be clued in on needing to “block” them. Scaring away new users. It will only get worse, if everyone “in the know” block them, then who will be left to downvote and show resistance to their “viewpoints”?

      And it still allows misinformation “articles” to spread and fester via the network, causing harm. To users, to the rep of the Threadiverse and its growth.

      The only real answer is as wide a defederation as the rest of the triad is treated

      • FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.frEnglish
        3·
        3 days ago

        if everyone “in the know” block them, then who will be left to downvote and show resistance to their “viewpoints”?

        That’s the problem I have with communities with people of the same opinion, safe spaces, circlejerks

        They will have a huge confirmation bias, be comforted in their beliefs and this might be harder and harder to revert, and might make people more extreme

        • cm0002@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
          41·
          3 days ago

          Hours old account

          Using the same phrasing as another troll account

          Nothing but a lil troll lmao Doesn’t even have the cajones to troll with their main

          • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.caEnglish
            1·
            2 days ago

            Any new account from lemmings.world or lemmy.cafe that acts like this is the same user evading bans. They can be safely reported and ignored, they get banned very quickly. They’ve been doing this since last year.

  • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zipEnglish
    731·
    4 days ago

    … While I very much have strong issues with the tankie/horse shoe theory propaganda…

    y’all are really suggesting boycotting lemmy.ml because the head admin there is an a-hole… while using lemmy… that said admin is the head dev of.

    • IndescribablySad@threads.net@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      291·
      4 days ago

      To paraphrase, NWA said “fuck the police” when they meant “I’m profoundly disappointed in the police for their barbarism and abject bigotry.” Do I think the police are a net positive to society? Yes. Do I wish they’d stop being power tripping pricks with clear sociopolitical biases that serve as a detriment to everyone in contact with them? also yes.

    • cm0002@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
      232·
      4 days ago

      Code is code, open source is open source.

      Lemmy is coded to be a link aggregator type social media, there’s nothing inherently political about it.

      It’s the fact that they use their supposed “test instance” and their influence as the Lemmy developers to spread their “message” because they know that it’s going to be difficult for other instance admins to defederate from the “Dev instance” that’s the problem.

      And indeed that’s pretty much what’s playing out, most instances defederate from the first 2 of the triad fairly easily, but when it comes to the .ml instance admins are hesitant. Even though .ml allows much of the same crap, just “tempered” under the surface.

    • Eldritch@piefed.worldEnglish
      18·
      4 days ago

      Not all of us. But yes. And?

      Being the developer of a software is one thing. Software is basically a tool. Good or bad is in the use of it. In application his use is bad. But plenty of us see the likely writing in the wall and are making moves accordingly as well.

    • GreenMouse@piefed.socialEnglish
      11·
      4 days ago

      I don’t really want to use any software when the administrators/developers of this software do not recognize the genocide of my people (or other peoples) and speak similar tankie nonsense. Lemmy is not very popular as it is, and I don’t think it will become more popular if the administrators/developers are… like this. The good thing is that it’s open source, and there are alternatives.

      • onslaught545@lemmy.zipEnglish
        2·
        4 days ago

        Honestly though, 99% of users have no clue who the devs of their platforms are, and could not care less about them. Same with admins.

        • cm0002@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
          6·
          4 days ago

          Normally, yes. However, the Lemmy devs thrust themselves into the spotlight with their words and actions (dessalines themselves has posted Tankie content, just recently a meme about the DPRK dictatorship being “western propaganda”) through their instance

          If they just had alts on grad or hex that no one knew was them, or hell ran grad or hex with said, we wouldn’t be here on this comm today.

          Instances would just defederate them and move on, but they don’t want that because it reduces their audience.

        • PugJesus@lemmy.worldMEnglish
          5·
          4 days ago

          MeanwhileOnGrad alone has ~2000 users per month, and much of the material here is (thanks to CM0002) about the Lemmy devs’ insanity.

          What percentage of the MAU of Lemmy, do you think, is 2000 users?

      • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zipEnglish
        14·
        4 days ago

        Agreed. But sh.itjust.works appears to be lemmy and not any of the (probably not the right word but) forks.

        And, to be clear; No ethical consumption under capitalism, yada yada yada.

        But calling for a boycott of a dipshit’s instance using the thing that gives his instance its power is just… I would use a simile involving McDonald’s but lemmy is still reddit enough that NOBODY will ever look at a metaphor in good faith.

        • AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          3 days ago

          I think you’re missing the point of what a boycott is accomplishing in this case. I don’t think it has anything to do with their financial situation, the boycott is presumably (from my perspective) to lower interaction and engagement and make it a less attractive instance for new people to get sucked into.

          • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.caEnglish
            2·
            2 days ago

            That’s entirely the point. The less traffic .ml has, the less influence it has over the overall Fediverse and the less their harmful authoritarian views can be spread. New users that sign up on Lemmy are constantly exposed to their curated extremist views and get banned for dissenting, which puts a bad taste in their mouths and they tell everyone else what a tankie shithole Lemmy is. Dessalines and Davel are actively harmful to the entire platform with their behaviour.

    • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
      11·
      4 days ago

      Having observed some different types of team dynamics in my day, I feel like Nutomic is clearly the one who does most of the dev work and Dessalines the one who makes most of the noise and pisses people off. It’s a fairly common dynamic.

      • Skua@kbin.earth
        17·
        4 days ago

        Nutomic thinks that trans people are a bourgeois conspiracy, so I maybe wouldn’t let them off the hook that easily

        • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
          6·
          4 days ago

          Nutomic thinks that trans people are a bourgeois conspiracy

          I…don’t even get how that would work.

        • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catEnglish
          76·
          4 days ago

          Well, but that’s just a bad opinion. I don’t think we need to go full-on attack mode against any particular person who has any particular “incorrect” opinion even if it is hateful or whatever. People can just talk it out. I’m probably in the minority on that, I know that it’s popular at this point to go on the attack against anyone who steps on any one of a set of particular rhetorical land mines. I just feel like by doing that, you aren’t really educating anyone, you’re just introducing coercion into the equation and teaching people to be dishonest about what they believe if they don’t want to get attacked.

          The issue with Dessalines that I haven’t seen from Nutomic is that he requires everyone else to have bad opinions, too, and will ban or attack them if they ever express anything other than his own bad opinions, on certain topics. That’s a lot more toxic to me than someone just saying something that I think is ignorant.

          • Klear@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            3 days ago

            Nutomic probably just drew the short straw and is supposed to be the one that doesn’t look like a complete asshole. And he’s still failing at that.

      • IndescribablySad@threads.net@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        3 days ago

        I don’t intend to use an app, so I was wondering whether piefed had multiple browser layouts or themes? The absence of separation between posts makes it feel like a vertically oriented newspaper archive and that frustrates me in an utterly unique and anxiety-inducing way.

    • kurcatovium@piefed.socialEnglish
      81·
      4 days ago

      I ditched lemmy and went to piefed exactly for this asshole (dessalines).

      Also I don’t get why some people defend said asshole while there have been tons of threads roasting in unison software like Brave or Hyprland or IDK what else for their dev being transphobic or racist or whatever. I’m not a fan of either of those, but it just doesn’t make sense to me.

    • Ech@lemmy.caEnglish
      1·
      4 days ago

      The software is open source and free. As long as it remains so, whoever is developing it is of little consequence.