Maybe we’re going about this the wrong way. We know what kind of country we live in, a nation of proud, almost patriotic willful ignorance. By design. An laborer ignorant to who is fucking them is a dependable laborer, after all.
So in the spirit of playing to the audience we have, have we tried rebranding the “vaccines” as, and I’m just spitballing here, Freedom Blessings, Robert E Lee Juice, The Joe Rogan Vein Experience, or the Prove You Hate Commies Test?
I had a thought along the same lines. I was thinking we should coin the term “immunition,” and tell people it was a way to arm your immune system to defend itself. It’s not even all that misleading.
I think it has more to do with an authority figure telling them to do something. I think we’d have to distract them like we do children getting a shot. Instead of a toy beer we could use a talking revolver?
Instead of a toy beer we could just give them a real beer.
children getting a shot. Instead of a toy beer
I think we should stop with the toy beer. Next thing you know they’ll move on to toy heroin.
I think it has more to do with an authority figure telling them to do something
Which is weird, because they love authority figures
They love authority figures telling other people what to do. Freedom is me being free to do what I want and you being free to do what I want.
Get the NRA (the New Resistance Augmentation) into supporting immunition imports!
I can find no fault in this whatsoever. Nothing else seems to get through to them, not even death.
How about we rearrange a little and try Joe Rogan Juice? Joe Juice for short. It makes your immune system swole.
Vaccines protect the workforce and allow individuals to produce more. People being against vaccines cannot be good for capitalism, can it?
It’s more important to the owners to keep us largely uneducated and ignorant for their own continued dominance than it is to maximize our longevity. Also they would have to pay honet to God taxes to fund public education, something they’ve spent decades installing loopholes to get out of, despite profiting directly from a pre-literate workforce Pool.
Just look at our for profit deathcare system, you would think, as they demand Healthcare largely be tied to employment to keep their employees desperately loyal, that it would be in their best interests to approve claims and keep their labor force healthy enough to labor, but it’s a numbers game and there’s just too much profit to be had, just as with their tax loopholes, in letting laborers die when they get sick or injured rather than approve their claims and letting them eventually recover. That’s a lot of lost profit when they can just replace them with someone ready to work tomorrow.
Keeping America unhealthy and stupid is good for Russia. Republicans also benefit because they get to keep stupid people on their side, instead of realizing that they should pair up with poor people on the left. Democrats also benefit because splitting the class across two parties helps maintain the status quo.
Congrats, even this you managed to turn into a class struggle.
Every struggle is either created by or exacerbated by class struggle.
Many cannot be addressed at all without first addressing class inequity.
Antivaxxers were largely made ignorant by for profit media.
I think you meant to reply to the parent comment?
Everything is a class struggle for us poor folk.
I used to think one of the biggest reasons there’s so many antivaxx people is that, because they’re so effective, people no longer have the fear of seeing their children in an iron lung, struggling to breathe. Then Covid respirators happened and antivaxx fucks somehow got worse
Most people on this planet are idiots.
The average person is quite stupid and about half the people are even stupider (sic)
😆 what do you mean dude
It’s also why Trump is president-elect currently. People are stupid and are forgetting just how bad things can be.
They forgot about 4 years ago.
I doubt this will compare to four years ago. It’s going to be much worse.
I’m hoping he keels over in the next month and we get President Vance. I know three things about him.
He’s really condescending towards people who didn’t “escape” rural areas (from his book).
He’s close with Peter Thiel.
He doesn’t believe anything political he says. He previously said Trump is a dictator. He says what he needs to say to gain power.There’s a non-zero chance that he’s full of shit, and then turns out to be a great president. Either way, an unknown quantity is better than the one we’re about to get. Hopefully it happens before the appointments, since the appointments can’t be worse. Trump is what, 78?
I think there’s zero chance he turns out to be a great president, but there’s probably a decent chance he’d turn out to be a mediocre president
The most important thing is that Vance wouldn’t have the hold over the whole party to be able to make them bow to his every whim like Trump does. Yes, they would still try to get project 2025 implemented, but they’d be less likely to be able to keep enough of their party in line to do it.
That’s four things.
I’ve just been hoping for the long shot that a plane carrying both of them will go down before the electoral college meets. If it also takes Musk, Johnson, Kennedy, and a bunch of others from his inner circle, so much the better.
He’s not my first choice, but if the choice is Trump, Vance, or Johnson, I’d choose Vance.
they think because he inherited a recovering economy, that he himself had some major part in it.
I used to think one of the biggest reasons there’s so many antivaxx people is that, because they’re so effective, people no longer have the fear of seeing their children in an iron lung, struggling to breathe.
Yes, I think that’s absolutely right. The antivaxxers are people who didn’t experience what it was like before vaccines.
Then Covid respirators happened and antivaxx fucks somehow got worse
I think part of it is that the effects of Covid were hidden from the public. The hospitals didn’t let anyone in to see the rows of beds with people on respirators, so the public didn’t see that on the news. They showed the refrigerated trucks but not the bodies in the trucks. So in the “pics or it didn’t happen” timeline we’re in, people didn’t believe it was that bad. Even the aftereffects of long covid are barely recognized or mentioned. The whole thing has been bizarre.
In olden times, everyone saw the dead bodies openly carried off on carts, or saw piles of them buried in mass graves. Their relatives died right there in front of them, not hidden away in a hospital where they themselves weren’t allowed to enter. Before, everyone directly experienced the crisis and suffering it caused. This time, the ugly reality was hidden from most of us other than the direct caregivers.
Side note: during the Vietnam war, reporters and camera crews were there and it was all shown on TV, the bodies, the wounded, the chaos. But the powers that be learned lessons from the horrified reaction of the public: do not show your failures on TV; keep your population in the dark. And we never saw our war casualties on TV again. Cameras were there, but we were shown nothing but scripted “reality TV”, if anything at all.
They followed the same script with Covid. This is supposed to be the information age but we’re more in the dark than ever. Real information is either not provided or is buried in misinformation. Remember the Florida whistleblower who leaked how the State was skewing their covid statistics and was quickly arrested and smeared?
My brother had to be convinced to get the vaccine.
He’s legitimately removed (I’m trying to say “re-tar-ded”, but apparently it automatically saying “removed.” Seriously? We’re not allowed to say “re-tar-ded”, a completely accurate medical term?) and had to go to a special school because of it.
I think a lot of conservatives fall into this camp, but don’t realize it because of how poor social programs are in red states.
In 1955… Most people personally knew someone aflicted with polio. They knew how bad it was
In Appalachia, it was unlikely to not know someone on a vent or dead from Covid, yet…
Fox News tells you not to believe your eyes, and conservatives trust Fox News more than their own eyes.
Their final, most essential command.
Why wouldn’t they trust Fox News over their own eyes? Fox News is the most trusted name in news. At least that’s what the viewers get told when they come back from commercial breaks. It’s not like Fox would lie to them. They are the most trusted name in news after all…
Circular logic at its finest.
I didn’t see anybody die of covid. 2 relatives died after getting the shot tho, of apparently unrelated cause.
Tell me what to believe.
Believe the mass graves and filled ERs.
I didn’t actually see mass graves or filled ERs.
You’re not alone. I also didn’t see either of those things, or know anyone that died from it.
I’m also not denying those things exist, I’m simply affirming your reality.
I guess you can’t see if your eyes are closed.
Hrm, the full ERs were easy to find though, news were coming up multiple times a day which hospital is rejecting patients and of doctors and nurses collapsing from 40-80 hours continuous work.
Mass graves… trickier. We tend to not want to be faced with mass deaths in general, which is why we tend to not glorify this as much as we do personal death. They were in the news though, and of course travel to any poorer country and they were/are easy to find.
We were discussing “seeing with your own eyes” vs “being told what to think by various propaganda organs”. The latter being less good.
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Ugh, that’s rough.
That being said, like you said, people die. I can’t imagine how shitty it feels but given how the COVID vaccine is the most-empirically-tested-and-documented vaccine and as a result of it’s absolutely insane number uses uses (beaten only by the likes of Aspirin and Ibuprofene and so on), it’s hopefully understandable that we not only know but know with beyond-certainty that it’s side effects are insanely rare and extremely mild.
The reason people can extremely rarely die from a vaccination (and then it happens ~directly after getting it!) is a reaction to the actual injection, not what you get injected with. This has happened in the past, it’s just extremely improbably. There’s also the chance of an allergic reaction but for most healthy adults we would know about this as COVID would be far from our first vaccine we’re getting, and with multiple billions of uses, we know that the COVID vaccine as a whole has no allergic interactions beyond standard ones.
That’s not to downplay your loss, sorry if it sounds that way - english is not my primary language. Not at all. Just trying to illustrate how impossible it’d be for COVID to have a lethal effect without millions~tens-of-millions showing this, simply because we have such an amount of data points.
That is to say, someobody could get a vaccine shot, then go home, and fry themselves an egg in a new pan they bought on the way home. There is a multiple orders of magnitude higher chance of poisoning from the pan because of an undocumented chemical in the coating than from the shot. We don’t have that much data on any particular pan, not even IKEA ones. Orders of magnitude less data.
The statistics and the science, not the anecdotes and inadequate sample size.
I knew three people who died from COVID and another after they recovered from COVID, unfortunately unless it’s their direct family they would just assume ‘theyre just making it all out to be covid’
I assume most people would blame social media for this, but here’s my c/unpopularopinions take, it’s inevitable with a profit oriented news platform, where they try to scaremonger in both ‘we are all going to die’ and ‘government is putting chips in our bloodstream’ directions
In other nations, unless a blunder by government policy, they werent as affected by the anti vaccine shenanigans, even though they were as affected by social media and such
Dude my grandmother died of Covid in August pf 2020, and yet my father and his sister who is a nurse and gave her the dease arge to this day weather covid is bullshit or not. AT HER funeral they argued about mask mandates. Maga brains will watch millions die from covid, and polio and still call it fake news.
And then there’s my ex who after COVID took nearly 9 months (!) to get normal use of their lung again. Fuck people who go all “COVID is bullshit”.
Trust me. I’ve been along live enough to recognize that if people don’t want to believe something, then they won’t.
i mean unless you were like 10, chances are everyone was aware of fdr
Quite the difference from how half the US population reacted to a Covid vaccine. The power of political propaganda and social media conspiracy theories.
And how those same people are cheering about Captain Brainworm’s intentions to discontinue the polio vaccine.
Behold the power of mass lead poisoning. We truly live in the most stupid timeline.
I think this is just the US returning to its pre super power roots. More and more it seems like the last 80 years were seen exception and now they are returning back to where they were before the world wars.
The rise of the middle class in the 50s has definitely been proven to be an anomaly in our history.
Don’t give them ideas!
(edit: I think I misunderstood your comment so deleting my comment which wouldn’t have made sense)
Haha, no worries. I did find it a bit confusing. All good though.
I think if COVID was leaving people paralyzed it would never have been what it became. The fallout from COVID was bad but maybe not bad enough.
I remember semi trailers being used as morgue extensions at hospitals. Every ventilator in the nation being claimed. People rasping out a good bye over FaceTime before going on a ventilator to probably die. It claimed a million people and the only reason that isn’t the official number is because Trump and the GOP refused to count the bodies.
It was absolutely bad enough. But humans are capable of great self deception.
The problem was it was too quick: if you died of COVID, you were dead. You could be memory-holed and everyone would simply forget you and move on.
If you had Polio, though, you were paralyzed and stuck in a metal tube and kept alive.
Can’t forget your not-dead kid who lives in a tube, and thus it was treated as more of a thing that should be fought because there was a clear and visible reminder of what this disease was doing to everyone’s kids.
If COVID left a couple million people living in tubes, then we absolutely would have treated it differently, but it didn’t.
(Alternately, if COVID had killed 10 or 20 million people, we would have also treated it seriously: it just wasn’t sufficiently deadly OR left a wake of broken, but living, people.)
Also, older people were more prone to dying from Covid. That left a lot of room for conspiracy theories regarding what actually killed them. Heard of lot of conservative family members say “oh, it was probably just a bad flu that killed them.” And when the vaccines came out that quickly changed to “the vaccine killed them.”
My dad died due to COVID and one of the dipshits we hired to help load his stuff into a moving truck kept going on about how incredulous he was that anyone would die from “the flu”. These people, they are not intelligent.
Yeah, I remember the ‘grandma wanted to die for the economy!’ ghouls.
And the ‘it’s just a flu!’ people pissed me the fuck off. Like have you morons never HAD the flu? It’s not like the flu is somehow pleasant and fun. You don’t want the flu! Nobody wants the flu! You idiots got a flu shot, get your damn covid shot.
And the ‘it’s just a flu!’ people pissed me the fuck off.
I think many people haven’t actually had the flu or have had it after a vaccination or a during mild year.
That shit is awful, and it can and has killed. Hell, 100 years before COVID there was the 1918 Flu Epidemic which killed nearly three times as many people as COVID. So when some chucklefuck prattles on about “it’s just the flu,” my response is always, “that doesn’t make it safer.”
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome might not be quite as bad as paralysis, but it is pretty fucking scary…
COVID is leaving people dead…and long COVID is definitely a thing as well.
“We’re not gonna make it, are we? Humans I mean” -John Connor- Terminator 2
“It’s in your nature to destroy yourselves”
-the terminator
I could feel my dread go as I heard that lines over the years, as a young teen? Of course we will we always have, we endure. As a middle aged adult? I’m not so sure we aren’t going to shove ourselves back to the cave man era and not enough people will listen to anyone with survival knowledge for the species to survive.
Then I think about how many species that must have and will happen to in this vast universe, so we’ll probably be an average result heh in the grand scheme of things that is.
we always have, we endure. As a middle aged adult? I’m not so sure we aren’t going to shove ourselves back to the cave man era
If we do, we’re stuck there. We don’t have enough fossil fuel left to re-industrialize
Okay, so we’re roughly in the middle…Are we on the left or the right of Fermi’s bell curve?
RFK jr is going to kill and cripple a lot more kids if he gets the chance to. He’ll make pretend polio / measles is eradicated and then somebody will get on a plane where there are cases, and it will spread amongst the unvaxxed and kids will die. When this happens he should be charged with negligent homicide but I doubt that will happen.
But he don’t care, because:
- It mostly kills poor people
- He is vaccinated
- His kids are vaccinated
- He couldn’t give any less fucks about people if you paid him for it. And he is being paid to not give a fuck about people’s lives.
5G hadn’t been invented yet. They had nothing to worry about back then.
/s
And then we ingested a bunch of lead through our lungs
We are entering a stupid age, for which we may never recover.
I’d argue we ushered in the Stupid Age in November of 1980.
I agree though, we never recovered.
for which we may never recover.
um, it’s FROM which, not “for which”
you wouldn’t say “I’ll never recover for this”, would you?
I’ll never recover for this comment
That’s what you get for not setting up system recovery.
You’ll never recover for this
If anything, this should tell us the trolls won.
Or at least have been more successful then they ever should have been.
On the other hand, half a century earlier-
So I guess the stupid waxes and wanes?
Something something smart people make good times that makes stupid people that make hard times that makes smart people?
You know I wonder how much of this is because we stopped doing pubic service announcements for a while?
I bet the wave of stupid correlates to the popularity of yellow journalism or the prevalence of its practices.
Oh how humanity hath fallen
Never experienced hardship… Boomers.
And too foolish to learn from the experience of others. Personal experience isn’t required if you develop wisdom. Americans, wise? Naaah.
Not all of humanity. Mostly America and some Europe with the epidemic of willful ignorance
I think social media algorithms have fried people’s brains. Imagine we’d ban them, go back to content being kinda diverse and random, without adversaries able to game the system and push massive swaths of propaganda to people. The fact alone that most youths get their news from freaking TicTok of all places…
You know your local news network has a TikTok right? There’s nothing wrong with news from social media. The problem is that media is unregulated and people are allowed to lie and pass off that information factual.
You know your local news network has a TikTok right?
That’s not what people watch though. People get their news from “influencers”, often time those with far right alignments, or straight from fascist parties who are the ones with the most reach on TicTok.
The problem is that media is unregulated and people are allowed to lie and pass off that information factual.
That’s literally what the free press is, and a fundamental pillar of a free and democratic society. Regulated media is censored media, and exactly what fascists want. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press
Being “press” does not give you blanket protection from lies. Alex Jones just lost his company because he lied about Sandy Hook victims.
He didn’t lost his company because he lied as a press entity, he was lying for years without issues, he lost his company because he directly defamed the victims and their loved ones, which caused a massive lawsuit by them that went in their favor. Even in the US there’s still a few restrictions to free speech, and defamation is one of them.
press
Alex Jones
Which one is it now?!
Why would anybody bad them, >50% in the US just voted to expand them massively and apply them ~everything. Oh and that money for the masses sucks versus money for grifters only, so I for one welcome Freedom Coin 2025 which rugpulls about 2 weeks after introduction.
If it’s propaganda to make people believe the truth, is it bad?
Depends who’s the arbiter of truth. Still propaganda
Interesting hypothetical, but not what’s happening.
It’s a question. You know what a question is, right?
You people are so used to these weird games that every question must be an insinuation.
Well, you said that, not me. But thanks for the outing.
Am I wrong?
I guess we’ll never know.
Can anyone find independent reports of this massive celebration for the announcement of the results of the Francis Field Trial in 1955?
Edit: Found a Wiki summary
Stark contrast to the reaction most people had to the invention of seatbelts in cars.
Honestly, they are compared a lot, and while seat belts should be encouraged, I don’t think they should be mandated for adults.
Unlike masks, you’re only going to hurt yourself.
Then again I strongly believe in the right of any adult to end their own life, even if they’re physically healthy, or it’s not their life.
Unlike masks, you’re only going to hurt yourself.
Absolutely wrong. Seatbelts prevent people from turning into projectiles as well, which most definitely can harm other people.
In the event of a crash, a soft gooey human is probably the least likely object that flies out of that car to seriously injure someone else, and if that gooey human hits anything the car is made of first, the gooey human loses and is just further bruised against things harder than a human.
Can you point me to a single instance of someone being injured or died because the corpse of another human, and not hard metal, plastic, or glass was launched out of the vehicle and managed to hit them?
Because that seems like a cartoonish outcome of a crash that’s high speed enough to do so. Like one in a billion, about as likely as being next to a car crash and being killed by the shrapnel of the used gum that was under the seat.
They don’t need to leave the vehicle to hurt someone else. https://youtu.be/mKHY69AFstE
Fair enough, I concede the point when others are in the car.
